Tom Morris



2006.12.12

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There is more coverage of Le Web 3 on my blog on 13/12/2006, 11/12/2006 and 14/12/2006. 2006-12-14T09:04:18ZUntitled entry permalink

There are downloadable (WMV) videos of many of the sessions so far. Judge for yourself. 2006-12-12T16:11:40ZUntitled entry permalink

Blipverts: "A PR coup for Six Apart in the French press I'm sure, Canal+ even had an outside broadcasting unit set up by the time I entered the centre this morning, but for the international Bloggers who paid to be here it's the final straw. Le Web isn't an international or European blogging conference, it's a standard trade show event which pandered to French political interests." 2006-12-12T23:52:12ZUntitled entry permalink

Graham Holliday: "Personally, I feel the conference has had the life sucked out of it by the egoism and ambition of certain individuals running the show and those hopping on the conference bike for a free publicity ride." 2006-12-12T18:04:30ZUntitled entry permalink

Robin Hamman: "Unlike Le Meur, and apparently oblivious to him, those guys from Belgium and a lot of other people sitting where I am haven't managed to crack a smile all day." 2006-12-12T17:59:01ZUntitled entry permalink

Tom Raftery: "What really annoyed everyone was the fact that the conference was completely hijacked and changed from a conference about new web technologies into a presidential campaign for the next French election. Two of the candidates, Nikolas Sarkozy and François Bayrou were parachuted in to the conference schedule at the last minute, displacing other speakers." 2006-12-12T17:38:41ZUntitled entry permalink

Nicole Simon: "If you have an audience like this and a standing like this in Europe for this conference you invest some time in making the the program. This obviously has not happened. Which is why i have an amount of political content i never wanted to see nor wanted to attend and everything else got pushed aside because of that - without me having really a choice through this... Loic Lemeur has sold out his european peer group for some cheap headlines in french politics - if at all. He has destroyed trust and confidence in a way I have never seen this before." 2006-12-12T17:14:16ZUntitled entry permalink

Alex Papanastassiou: "we basically lost energy and momentum because some bunch of French politicians wanted to do themselves some public relations and build an image of modernity. If they are modern they ought to go for conversations, not top-down broadcasts of official truths and by the way accept questions for the audience, Mr Sarkozy" 2006-12-12T17:01:55ZUntitled entry permalink

Adam Fletcher: "Theres a lot of negativity around le web today, the conference room is half empty and people seem more than a little disgruntled". Also: "So alot of time is wasted pimping the panelists companies rather than engaging in discussion". 2006-12-12T16:28:17ZUntitled entry permalink

David Weinberger (who speaks later) on Sarkozy: "I feel like i've been lectured by a guy who has no actual understanding of the Internet." 2006-12-12T15:55:17ZUntitled entry permalink

Shane Richmond: "On the other hand there are plenty of people here who see today's appearances as a cynical political exercise that has derailed the conference. Loic's employers, Six Apart, apparently make a lot of their money in France selling blogs to politicians so perhaps there is an explanation in there somewhere... Many delegates are angry that, having spent a lot of money to come here and talk about the web, they are watching political broadcasts instead" 2006-12-12T15:47:42ZUntitled entry permalink

Dieter Rappold: "I am disapointed. I am disappointed of you, this conference and I will never attend LesBlogs/LeWeb anymore - But as I imagine you won't give a damn, as you don't give a damn about your audience as it seems." 2006-12-12T15:42:40ZUntitled entry permalink

James Higgs: "In theory, Le Web 3 was supposed to be a place for the people on the bleeding edge of European Web 2.0 innovation to come together and discuss the way ahead. Instead, it has turned into a parade of politicians, product anouncements and a complete lack of any type of disagreement or debate... Despite all this negativity, there has been one big positive. I must say that the food has been extremely impressive." 2006-12-12T13:41:27ZUntitled entry permalink

Sam Sethi: "The speakers are all saying the same old thing and nothing new... Overall the event feels like it has run its course just like the Web 2.0 conference earlier this year. Le Web 4 will be a hard sell, certainly as far as I am concerned" 2006-12-12T13:32:04ZUntitled entry permalink

Peter Forret: "I did not pay over Euro 600 to come and listen to self-involved French politicians talk about why they want to run for president" 2006-12-12T13:18:06ZUntitled entry permalink

Ivan Pope: "I don't know how much rumbling of discontent there's been - but frankly I didn't pay my conference fee to be pitched by politicians. I think the organisers should put their egos away and resist the blandishments of all politicians". And more: "Same old same old. Same old stories, same old corporate speakers. And same old friends of the organisers. It's like a love-in for a closed circle, with no fresh thinking or any challenge to the status quo." 2006-12-12T13:16:41ZUntitled entry permalink

Adam Tinworth: "Here we go, another session about the death of Old Media, with four new media types and a single old media chap as the chair. And precious little revealing content." 2006-12-12T10:48:03ZUntitled entry permalink

Stephanie Booth on Twitter: "I wonder what on earth is going to happen to LeWeb3's program now that politicians and the mainstream press have taken over." 2006-12-12T10:05:30ZUntitled entry permalink

webpronews thinks Dmoz is dead (via Stephen Cohen). You guys all know what the solutions to thi sare, right? It needs to be turned over to a more competitive model. 2006-12-12T07:45:08ZUntitled entry permalink

Jim Moore has a post on Harvard, OPML and Dave's stint at Berkman. 2006-12-12T07:35:02ZUntitled entry permalink

Robert Andrews has more coverage from Le Web 3. 2006-12-12T07:14:22ZUntitled entry permalink

Le Web 3: Hoping for a better day 2006-12-12T07:14:42ZPermalink

It's 8.14am and I'm here early to blog (and to use the Internet before it goes horribly down the drain.

The morning's schedule seems to be based on Steve Gillmor's style of argument - "Is _____ dead?" - in this case television, radio and old media. Based on the press desk in the reception and the fact that they got in for free, I'd say that we have a long way to go before they are dead.

One session that could be interesting is danah boyd's talk at 11:30 on the "young web".

Mena Trott's session may be interesting - I wonder whether any disruptive British bloggers cause havoc. Smile and a wink

David Weinberger might be interesting.

The whole day looks like it might be more interesting than yesterday - and hopefully there will be more opportunity for comment. Perhaps the attitude to user-generated content at Le Web is indicative of how it wll be for many companies - "it's fine that they have things to say, so let's section them off and try not to listen".

I like the fact that we seem to be having the same debates as years ago - deportalization! Woohoo!

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Le Web 3: Unconference? 2006-12-12T08:39:52ZPermalink

Loic Le Meur thinks that this is an unconference.

"An unconference is a conference where the content of the sessions is driven and created by the participants, generally day-by-day during the course of the event, rather than by a single organizer, or small group of organizers, in advance." (Wikipedia)

"The idea for an unconference came while sitting in the audience of a panel discussion at a conference, waiting for someone to say something intelligent, or not self-serving, or not mind-numbingly boring. The idea came while listening to someone drone endlessly through PowerPoint slides, nodding off, or (in later years) checking email, or posting something to my blog, wondering if it had to be so mind-numbingly boring. My guess is that if you swapped the people on stage with an equal number chosen at random from the audience, the new panelists would effectively be smarter, because they didn't have the time to get nervous, to prepare PowerPoint slides, to make lists of things they must remember to say, or have overly grandiose ideas about how much recognition they are getting." (Dave Winer)

Is this an unconference? No. BloggerCon is an unconference. BarCamps are little unconferences blossoming all over the world. If 900 people sitting in a room listening to one person and not being able to ask questions is an unconference, then I'm a pink zebra - because words will have no meaning.

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Le Web 3: Laptops Off! 2006-12-12T08:40:15ZPermalink

Apparently, in the next session, laptops are supposed to be shut off. Le Web's unconference stylings continue unabated. And, of course, all our questions have to be "on the blog". For crying out loud, this is mad.

It's because Shimon Peres, Israeli Vice Premier and former Israeli PM, is speaking.

This is the man who said "A godless man is not a human being."

Why, thank you very much. Since you've told me that I am not a human being, I'm not going to stop blogging. No fucking way.

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Le Web 3: Political takeover 2006-12-12T11:25:34ZPermalink

Just when I thought that this conference couldn't get worse, these politicians turned up and started talking.

The media are lapping it up. But we aren't.

We care about the policy issues. We care about things like data retention and the TV Without Frontiers Directive - why can't we have some answers about those?

One person asked a question in French (and repeated it in English) about open source.

I have no idea how this is relevant! I can't imagine going along to @media or d.Construct to find politicians trying to pitch to us. If David Cameron was suddenly added at the last minute to the conference - and stayed long enough not to be asked any questions that are related to the conference, you'd think people might be a bit pissed.

That's how I feel. We need a way for bloggers to ask questions of politicians in an open and direct forums - but this isn't it.

Kevin Marks has just said in IRC: "this conf is more like TV than the net". It's true.

Update: One of the speakers in the games panel said that he's not interested in French politicians. A load of people started applauding and cheering. One would think that the organisers might look down at us peons and say "what do you want?". But, don't you know, we don't matter.

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Le Web 3: Sarkozy has pushed me over the edge 2006-12-12T14:50:20ZPermalink

This is bollocks. Sarkozy came straight in, gave a political speech filled with all the usual clichés of political discussion (I was listening to the translation).

The presence of these politicians is totally inappropriate.

I'm so glad that Maarten Schenk has created this Le Politics banner. Smile and a wink

Politicians have useful things to say - but we're not here for a political pitch. Let's have some discussion. We believe in conversations, right? We're bloggers. So let's have some conversations.

The conversation is happening in the backchannel now - and the folks in there are pissed. Now, they are just the ones who have managed to get an Internet connection. If everyone in the room had access to the backchannel (or is it a darkchannel?), there'd be a damn uprising.

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Le Web 3: Notes from the bad guy 2006-12-12T22:49:29ZPermalink

What a crazy hectic day. To be honest, I'm not as pissed off as the previous posts would make me out to be. I'm just getting it out of my system.

Why did we - the "Le Resistance" (yes, I know that's bad grammar) - have to resort to doing mass postings and mass linkings? Because we wanted to be heard. We've paid too, and we had two days filled with Microsoft and Google and Yahoo and friends talking and getting no tough questions asked.

It wasn't just that we weren't being listened to - no, wait, it was because we weren't being listened to. We need to make it astoundingly clear to people that we won't stand for being fucked around with.

On the grand scale of attention, taking three days off, flying or taking the train to Paris, booking in to a hotel and spending a large chunk of change on a ticket is a big thing to do. It may not be for people with expense accounts, but for those of us for whom the money comes out of our pockets, it's a big thing.

We don't want to be professionally managed - even though having croissants and orange juice is nice (next year: keep the catering company but the conference needs to change). We want to be able to ask questions, interact. We don't want to be treated like eyeballs - we want to have a conversation. This was totally absent.

This isn't difficult stuff - it's what people like Doc Searls - and, in fact, Loïc Le Meur - have been pushing for the last few years. Indeed, citizen journalism was something that was on the agenda at Les Blogs 2.0 last year - and yet this year non-citizen-journalists, non-participatory-media-ists (in short, the folks with big cameras or big newspapers waiting at home) got in for free, got priority treatment, got seating at the front of the hall. I brought this up because it was relevant. It would be standard operating procedure at any other conference - but at a conference such as this one, it's hypocritical and it makes us have to ask - do we actually believe this stuff or do we just pretend we do so long enough for Google to buy our startup? I do believe in the transformative power of the Internet - perhaps I'm naïve?

I feel sorry for Loïc Le Meur - as Pat Phelan says, it looks like Loïc is going to have a busy week reading Technorati. I hope he and others involved with the Le Web conference realise that this blogging shitstorm could have been avoided by talking to us in person - by getting a proper functioning backchannel going (despite Mena Trott's protestations), by allowing more time for comments, by not insulting our intelligence with big company shills on waffly panels.

I am proud that I am one of only a small number person who managed to get up and say something - of the three comments I tried to make, the one where I managed to get my voice out is the one where I was trying to point out the torrent of bullshit that the conference had been. Somebody needs to have said it. Now back in blogland, people are saying it - and if that makes the organisers uncomfortable, then think about how we feel having our time taken up to help Monsieur Sarkozy in his presidential bid.

I wouldn't have objected to the politicians being there if they were talking to us (allowing us to talk back would have helped too) - but we were just a backdrop for who they were really talking to - the television cameras. They were proving they were "down with the cyberinterweb". They weren't interested in conversation - or at least, if they were there wouldn't be any chance for it to happen.

Loïc - please, let's have the conversation that we didn't have at Le Web. You, me and all the pissed off bloggers. I'll be perfectly happy to come back next year if this kind of shit doesn't happen again (I really want to see Paris properly) - if we can make sure that people can have conversations - because, lord knows, Europe needs what Le Web could have been.

Thank you to all the bloggers - whether you were in Paris or not - who kicked up a stink about this. Today's posts are now on TailRank, Scripting News, MetaFilter. It's being described as a "collision", a "festering corpse", "bullshit" (by the guy who raised the shitstorm last year, no less!) and of "the vast number of disgruntled attendees". There's a whole sphere of opinion which I cannot access because I don't speak French - I'd love to see what people are saying in the blogosphere français. Thank you to the folks in IRC - whether you were in Paris or not - for keeping it all going. Thanks especially to Nicole Simon and Adam Tinworth - who has provided great coverage of the panels while I was busy getting angry.

I have a Eurostar to catch at 9am tomorrow. And I need some sleep before then. Thank you and good night. And if you find yourself at a conference which is boring or lifeless or hypocritical or where the hosts aren't respecting your attention - get angry or these kind of conferences won't ever get any better!

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