2006.03.15

Rob Braun has an excellent article on why Darwin (the OS, not the nineteenth-century naturalist who, except the nuts, is generally admired by most people) failed. It's a shame. I had hoped that someone might do something cool with it. 2006-03-15T21:22:33ZUntitled entry permalink

Google Scholar results for Claude Shannon. First result has 10,227 citations (C.E.S and W. Weaver's Mathematical Theory of Communication). Search for William Dembski, and TDI has 62 citations, most of which are people explaining why it's wrong, or they're papers from fellow creationists (with titles like "Upholding the Authority of the Bible from the Very First Verse") - lots by one 'SC Meyer'. I can't see any papers in here from writers in information theory. Which makes that Isaac Newton quote a bit silly, doesn't it? Then if one searches for the PBSW "Meyer 2004" paper, it brings up one citation from Dembski. Rigorous science, right? 2006-03-15T15:18:34ZUntitled entry permalink

I must say, it's very amusing that Lord Goldsmith is complaining about Ian Blair taping him. The government want to tape us, and yet they complain so much when they do it themselves. Isn't there something of a hint of hypocrisy in all of this... 2006-03-15T09:08:54ZUntitled entry permalink

I say, we should fire him. Just to be sure. 2006-03-15T08:58:41ZUntitled entry permalink

Ruminations on Message Boards 2006-03-15T09:15:54ZTitled entry permalink

I'm surprised that nobody has done anything "Web 2.0"-ish with the humble discussion forum. The basic structure of the discussion forum hasn't changed significantly since the mid nineties. And, as I showed in The Conversation Garden yesterday, it's really not the best way to organise things.

It would be so cool to have a system with a self-organising taxonomy. How would this work? Well, all threads would have tags. Anybody who posts to the thread could add tags. The aggregate of those tags would form the thread tags.

Subforums would simply be a list of tags. So if you wanted to have a politics subforum, you'd go in to the admin panel, and ask it to have a subforum for everyone who uses the tags: politics, politician, parliament, democracy, congress, government, law etc.

You could democratise that process. Imagine if everyone could build their own hierarchical structures in a very simple markup language (I'm not talking OPML here - this is a different type of thing). So you write out your version of the forum, and when you visit the forum, it'll be laid out how you like it.

You could aggregate those. Ask people to vote on them, and then somehow synthesise the layout based on the best design.

This would destroy the need for arguments over which forums to have where. If you're bored because there's not a forum for your taste, you simply define it into existence and if that organisation makes better sense than other competing organisations, it'll stay.

The most important page of forums, and the one which is paid so little attention to, is the "View New Posts" page. It's really the 'blog' view of the forum. People building new forums should really pay attention to how people stay up-to-date with forums. On small forums, it's the View New Posts page. On larger forums, it's "Any responses to my posts?" followed by browsing a few topics of interest.

We need to rigourously redefine discussions. If someone starts a thread, it often will take a few pages until the real questions come out for discussion. So, "what's your opinion on abortion?" is really a meta-question for "when does human life begin?". Forums should react to this, automatically refactoring threads based on what's new.

We do this in USENET through thread retitling. Retitling a thread is really refactoring it because it changes the discussion. Imagine you were discussing an ongoing event - the thread would automatically be refactored based on the changing nature of the event.

Once a news article comes out, or a verdict arrives, the opinion of people changes, so the thread should change with it.

All of this works only if you use the model of the post as the most important item in the message board. Not the thread, not the subforum. The post. Only on threaded (rather than flat) discussion boards does this actually work out in practice, since you can't properly respond to unthreaded discussion.

Of course, every user should have an RSS feed. As should every forum, every thread and every post. There should also be a way of subscribing to threads in a complex manner and getting the results delivered through RSS.

If the above sounds complicated, it is. Human discussion is complicated, and our software should reflect that rather than naïvely trying to change our discussions to fit in to what Matt Wright and his followers say it should be.

Douglas Adams 2006-03-15T20:44:59ZTitled entry permalink

In The Salmon of Doubt, Douglas Adams wrote:

I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you're born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you're fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.

RSS (and podcasting) breaks this law. Most geeks get it. It makes sense. If you talk to normal people, they say dumb things like "why don't you just visit the website?". The answer is because it doesn't scale. But they don't understand simple things like that.

I suppose, since most people believe in bullshit like astrology and creationism, we shouldn't be surprised that they don't understand simple things like RSS.

 

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